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  • Alivenotdead.com do not want to see Alex Mikic & Ghost Souljah win the LP contest!

    2009-08-09 2:08PM / 標準BLOG / 會員可以看
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    There has been a bunch of moaning and whining like little primary school boys who open their lunchboxes at lunchtime to be disappointed with celery sticks and carrots again. I have been discussing the LP contest (at a time when we were on top in the competition) with other such boys who were in the competition too. Though I gave my opinion on the subject, straight up in writing, I laughed behind my computer screen at these guys. They were losing, so they were whining.

    I'm not going to lie. Winning the LP contest means more to me than my girlfriends 3 month celebration day (who the fuck celebrates month anniversaries anyway). This is the game. Me and Alex Mikic are the beasts in it. If you have seen us perform before, you will not only know that we are the most energetic in HK but that hundreds and hundreds of fans follow us.

    Ok. Maybe, in the midst of all this comotion, I forgot to introduce to you, my buddy Alex. Alex Mikic JUST came back from Australia, performing in front of a total of thousands for ZenZenZo. There, he received a MASSIVE following and appreciation for what he does. Alex Mikic also goes to secondary school where everybody in the school knows his name and little teenage girls copy and paste his picture onto the hot bodies of men from the movie 300. He also has 100 NORMAL friends. 100 is probably an underestimation...

    Myself, I have a family that consists of Indian and Chinese people. These two are the largest populated countries in the world. This would mean that I have family everywhere. Some in New York, some in China, some in India and most probably some in places I don't even know. I have been making music for 4 years and have promoted myself regularly with shows and performances everywhere. I read in a book that a musician earns the right to be called one, only if he has been a musician for 4 years. Well there, I'm a real musician then.

    The Linkin Park contest is on its last day today. And unfortunately it is MORE than fucked up. Over the course of the week, we are probably the only contestants so passionate about this we skip important things like eating and socializing just to promote ourselves on Alivenotdead. We have so many friends that it took us at least 2 days to get the message on to everyone.

    Every time I sent an email outs, DOT goes my facebook chat and some fan from last year's School Fair concert says 'voted for you!! <333 xxx'. I have personally experienced this deja vu about 100 times. 100 is probably an underestimation.

    I have seen our LP contest votes start to push 250, only to come back down to 180. They went up to 190, and came down to 160. It is fair to say that we should have way over 300 votes. I know this because on top of crazy fans, I have family everywhere voting for me, friends of friends voting for me, friends of fans voting for me and a more than popular buddy as a partner, Alex mikic.

    I was glad to see that they were keeping track of cheaters on this contest... by personal judgment. Alivenotdead figures a voter is fake if his name is 'wong', 'kevin' or 'chan'. Literally. I would copy and paste the email if I was a rude bastard, but this is what is going on here. Our votes have been taken from us, the organizers of the contest have ultimately failed in bringing a fair contest to us and you are now looking at a Top 5 contestant who is now Top 7 simply because people at Alivenotdead do not want to see him at the top 5.

    I have no other explanation. I find it ridiculous. I have personally WITNESSED feedback from over 200 voters. Yet we have 189.

    The contest has failed. What you will see at Linkin Park is probably going to be one of the many bands on Alivenotdead who think they're famous enough to write 2 lines on their blog every week thinking they're britney spears. Guys who think paparazzi is following them. Guys who never bother to talk to their fans, to be friends with their fans because they got too much of an ego to. Guys who group fans to be 'real' or fake. The real ones being the type that never talk to you because you're too busy for them. And the fake ones being the ones you do bother to talk to, out of respect and knowing that they you aren't the giant and they aren't the cockroach. (or just ask Gong Wu what a real fan is). As if you would have a britney spear fan base. I never heard of you.

    I'm pissed off, and I'm not too happy with alivenotdead. Sort your shit out.

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  • ghostsouljah852
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    留言於2009-08-10 1:20PM
    Anyway, I don't want to drag on this argument any further. I feel that we should have been in the top 5. It seems weird to have informed over 300 people and to have been confirmed of their voting only to end up with 190 votes.

    I wouldn't get so angry for no reason. I KNOW that we had more than 190 real votes.

    I must say that I am disappointed and as a blogger on alivenotdead who wanted to get more involved, I feel like I have been cheated in this contest.

    After all, we aren't talking about a few gifts or goodie-bags... the winner OPENS FOR LINKIN PARK. And you guys have not taken that seriously enough, in my opinion.

    And after writing what I wrote yesterday, you didn't even bother to reply about 'bias' or the possibility of it.

    Let's forget about this as being upset really wont change anything here.
  • ghostsouljah852
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    留言於2009-08-10 1:12PM
    YOU have failed to reply to the majority of what I said. What you just said just emphasizes my point.

    You have no full proof that these votes are fake. Those voters could have known each other, worked in the same office together and done their votes at the same time.

    My point was that this system of finding fake votes provides you with no solid proof that a vote is fake. Do you agree?
  • craigbrown
    留言於2009-08-10 4:09AM [举报]
    Ghost souljah is the best!!! i love him :)
  • Etchy
     
    留言於2009-08-09 8:56PM [举报]
    Ghost,  you ask "HOW are these obvious fakes?"  

    If you included the entire email,  it would be very clear,  you are leaving a LOT out.  For the sake of everyone reading, let me share more information you have left out -

    from   Raffi Kamalian
    to        Alex Mikic
    Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:54 PM
    "Yesterday between 2pm and 5pm,  someone created 18 separate alivenotdead.com accounts and voted for Alex Mikic and Ghost Souljah.  The user names included:

    wong1111
    chan1111
    ling1234
    hui1111
    lam1111
    lee1100
    wong1100
    ho1111
    kim1111
    chiu111
    lingling10

    and the email addresses were also obvious fakes like:
    venus@yahoo.com.hk
    desmond@yahoo.com.hk
    wong@yahoo.com.hk
    kevin@yahoo.com.hk
    kim@yahoo.com.hk
    chiu@yahoo.com.hk
    lingling@yahoo.com.hk


    I don't know who's responsible for the above case, but please stress to your fans that multiple votes do not help you and can only hurt your chances.   Just focus on getting REAL people to make REAL votes by themselves and you guys will be fine.   If we continue to find irregularities like the above case,  we'll continue to remove votes.

    Thanks for understanding"

    And then your partner, Alex Mikic responded:

    from        Alex Mikic
    to        Raffi Kamalian
    date        Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM
    "Haha, WOW. THOSE are obviously fake. HAHAHAHA!

    <rest of message clipped>"


    Alex apparently agrees that these are fake.  Do you believe that ONE person sitting at ONE computer making EIGHTEEN new logins over the course of three hours with REPEATING login names and FAKE email addresses is "obviously fake" or not?

    Does anyone else reading this blog think these were 18 legitimate votes that were unfairly removed?  

    I'm sorry to share the facts of the voting with the public on your blog, but since you brought it up in an attempt to disparage us, I'm afraid I have to be clear to protect our reputation.  If you still don't believe me, feel free to come to our office and check the votes yourself.

    Thanks.
  • ghostsouljah852
    藝術家空間 
    留言於2009-08-09 7:48PM
    I am saying that I know for a fact that we have more than 190 fair votes, simply because we have told over 190 people to vote. And they have. So it makes sense why it frustrates us to see fair votes being taken off.

    Alex forwarded me your email, and it appears you have no system for checking duplicate votes. You simply go by names, and the evidence you gave us is not convincing at all.

    The system is not only flawed.. there is NO system! If you can take off votes at your own will, then who's to know what's really going on? You may like 24 herbs better and decide to keep their votes in. Humans are biased in nature.

    I would agree with you. You may need to reconsider giving out opportunities like this if they are not going to be fair.

    You said the following were OBVIOUS fakes: venus@yahoo.com.hk desmond@yahoo.com.hk wong@yahoo.com.hk kevin@yahoo.com.hk kim@yahoo.com.hk chiu@yahoo.com.hk lingling@yahoo.com.hk

    HOW are these obvious fakes? How can you know for sure?

    And aside from the bias-factor, how can you control this method so that every contestant gets treated the same?

    I hope you understand that I am not trying to start an issue between you and me. I'm just trying to get you to understand my point of view, as this 'system' of singling out fake votes is the reason we will not get a chance to open for linkin park.
  • Etchy
     
    留言於2009-08-09 3:14PM [举报]
    Ghost - I'm very disappointed to read this blog.  

    I realize you may be upset,  but what you are suggesting?  That we created this opportunity for all artists on this site and then decided specifically that your group is not  allowed to win.  What would be the benefit for us?  We are here to help artists,  not make them hate us.   Its looking more and more like we need to reconsider offering opportunities like this again in the future, since you are now the 3rd or 4th band who has written a negative email or blog saying we are singling them out to keep them from winning.

    I've tried to explain the status of your duplicate votes very clearly to Alex,  but if you would like to personally come to our office so I can show the evidence of the duplicate votes,  please feel free,  or if you'd like to post Alex's email here,  that is fine too.  We have nothing to hide.

    Thanks again for your participation, and sorry that our offering this opportunity to you has been below your expectations.

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